Pasquale Pollet: use your INSIDE REIN and cross it over his neck. his head may turn towards the inside of the ring but it will force his body towards the rail. if he is stubborn at the bit and this is a bit hard, try wearing a tiny spur just on that boot and dig it into him until he moves over. when he does quit spuring him.
Hong Hunkin: A lot of horses just do this! I have one that does and there is nothing wrong with her.
Dorine Nurre: Traditional cobs are actually fairly popular over here too and not all of them are coloured.Not all of them are poorly bred and the ones you know nothing about background-wise tend to be the best horses you'll ever own. Those that are well bred are often bred from cobs people have bought in Ireland with no history and have done well in the ring and maybe gone to HOYS and are the definition of a true cob.Americans have thrown the breed/type standard out the window (same with most breeds - the Connemara, for example; only those ! bred from Irish or British bred ponies are true-to-type and the rest are awful and have no business being native ponies)They are popular as they think they're amazing and pretty - they breed them to make them pretty. Us in the UK breed them because they're popular mounts for everyone, are very versatile and are often seen doing anything and everything, which makes them so attractive. When it comes to the coloured ones, no two are the same but the downside is the cleaning.Over here you can buy a good quality, well-bred, proven traditional cob from £3000-£8000. The youngsters often sell from about £800-ish (sometimes less)...Show more
Caleb Chapman: I think you pretty much answered your own question inadvertently. :] They're pretty and that's pretty much what fuels high-dollar horses in America. Pretty, and "different". There's a Gypsy breeder near enough to where I live, they're forever posting them on Craigslist. Can't get rid of them. Priced around $2k now. It'll ! keep deflating until they find a price they can sell at. I won! 't be surprised if they do sell around a few hundred, but I anticipate it'll keep going down lower than that tbh.It's because people in the US don't realize how insignificant they are in the UK -- in general -- US breeders have been lead to believe they're special and rare (a lot of Gypsy breeders will use that keyword exactly to advertise) because of the way they look.I can't deny, they are pretty horses. If I could get one for free I probably would but I would not begin to pay out the wazoo for one.ETA: Eh... Gypsies aren't "rare" in the US. They're a little uncommon but I guarantee if you Cragislisted your area you'd find them. I live in the backwaters of KY and we have them in this area. They aren't as rare as folks would lead you to believe. The only rarities are GOOD horses, period. :[...Show more
Micah Schwarcz: sorry....pull on my left rein...haha
Jacques Vaquera: It'll come with time and practice. Horses usually have a lead that they prefer and comes m! ore naturally to them (usually the left).Horses tend to have this trouble especially when they've been ridden a lot on curves and then break down when asked to go in a straight line. It'll come - it just takes practice. You can let him go a little faster when you practice for a little while to help him get his balance and learn to do it. Really push with your seat to encourage him to continue to go forward.Try not to canter him in circles (I am the queen of doing this - only using a small piece of the arena to warm up and then having difficulties going straight down the rail!) - try to get him to practice going straight down the rail. It will come - it just takes time and balance - which will come with practice.It'll take time and practice, but I promise - it'll eventually get better!...Show more
Wally Gower: Don't use your rein because it will send him confusing messages. There might be something there that is spooking him that he can only see when he goes to the! right. walk him once or twice around the ring to the right before you ! get on and let him see everything. use your inside leg to push him to the rail. If you are still having some problems talk to your trainer about riding him so that maybe they can fix the problem.
Shandi Wedge: I don't think so, just as long as the horse is safe in the ring. I know someone who has a horse with eye damage and shows on the A circuit. I don't think as severe as your horse seems to have, but if you're really worried about it contact USEF.www.usef.org
Len Bormes: My loan's a tradition coloured cob and he's a brilliant weight carrier and does love to hack out, though like a typical cob he has short legs and a bigger body which means he can get tired out easily, and although he can go fasts he can't maintain it for a long time. He does find schooling very hard work, because his build does not help balance or suppleness, but he can go well when he puts his mind to it. He can also jump well, again when he fancies it lol. Having said that, he's only ever r! efused with me a handful of times and even if it's a very awkward jump 9 times out of 10 he will clear it so we do often get a clear round but style is definitely not as brilliant as lighter more agile horses. Mine in particular at some point has been allowed to throw his weight around, and because he is such a strong pony it does mean he can be hard to handle at times - and because they are often very clever horses they do often need a lot of tact. Mine is an escape artist, susses everything out and can be a right **** at times - when he's working with me he's brilliant but when he's in one of his moods he will use his weight against me. Cobs that have been trained well often do have good temperaments, but remember they're still horses and no horse is ever perfect - don't stereotype every cob as a perfect well behaved horse because I do know a lot of traditional cobs that aren't always saints, infact thinking about it I know few that are good all the time....Show more
Long Woltjer: Do you lunge him at all? He probably is left handed (we! ll you get what I mean) So do alot of work to the right do more work to the right to get him flexing and so forth and whn you use reign use it backward if you want to go to the rail point his nose to the inside of the arena and he should bend making him move over to the rail but dont over use your reigns.. also check reign length to make sure one reign isnt longer then the other.. Check your stirrups are you putting more weight in one side then the other? check the stupidist of things its their somewhere.....Show more
Ricky Frazer: Hmm, interesting. Personally, I do not go for looks, I go for stamina, intelligence and loyalty. That is why I adopt Mustangs.I think I shall read into these vanners.
Joie Kemmis: The only thing that will get you thrown out of rated shows is reckless riding - so, as long as she isn't running into other horses or jump standards, you will be fine.You don't need to tell anyone that she is almost blind in one eye - so long as she is heal! thy otherwise, that is all that is important.
Marhta Teahan: My horse does it all the time! Shes a girl and she always grunts at the trot and at the canter so you have nothing to worry about!
Tommy Durrenberger: Wow Without really seeing you on your horse and what your horse is doing it is difficult to diagnose. However, I would immediately give him more leg, urge him forward when he tries to break down...telling him "NO, this is not what I want you to do" It sounds like timing is the real issue here. Keep practicing ..once you get it all together, it will be easier
David Kuper: I am from England and to be honest no one touches them with a barge poll, because they are so poorly breed. Yet a few years ago I wen;t to the USA and saw plenty of them - a lot of them were bought for £ 14,000 ( sorry don't know the value in dollars, and I am to lazy to find out ) and everyone has raving on about how pretty they are etc etc. Now when I told people they aren't! worth anything in the UK, they were shocked. it just seems to me like ! it's a scam - and no one seems to actually look at the background of the breed. Yet they shell out thousands of dollars for a horse that had a bad reputation from it's native land....Show more
Rebeca Mckin: My Granny calls them ridden cows, and stopped paying attention to HOYS when they started having coloureds there.You do get some nice coloured cobs, but really not very many. I had one for a while, my partner bought him for a ridiculous amount of money from a dodgy dealer in Ireland, he was a decent cob but being skewbald made his price insane, if he'd been black he would've cost a couple of thousand and wouldn't have been looked down on so much! The problem with gypsy horses is gypsies breed them for no reason, they just allow them to breed whenever and with whatever, and if they do have an aim when breeding the majority of the time it's for the amount of feather and the symmetry of markings.I don't let it bother me anymore; if someone wants to pay stupid money t! hen let them. So long as the dealers are paying their income tax, I'm happy for them to carry on!...Show more
Patrica Loertscher: I have been a hunter for a while and i was supposed to start on the circut last year but she got a cut in her eye. later thay told me that it didnt have to be that bad but i had a really bad vet at the time. now, were fully recovered and ready to start showing but someone told me that because of her 80% blind left eye that i wouldnt be allowed to show rated. Can someone tell me if this is true because i really think that we could do amazing, half blind or not...
Claudio Drullard: I would have to see what was happening to really answer, but if I was in this situation I would say to make sure that you are on the right lead because sometimes if there on the wrong lead they will go towards the inside. Also push with your inside leg and do small, but frequent pulls with the outside leg. The horse also may be sore on that lead and is tryin! g not to bend his back by getting off the rail, so he will not have to ! bend his back as much.
Francisco Schonhardt: When Im showing a horse or see someone else showing a horse that is coming off the rail (for whatever reasons; scary area or just doesnt want to stay on). for your case, in the right lead, i would have them shift more of their weight to their right seatbone, apply their right leg and hold it on the horse (until they go back to the rail - once the horse is at the rail keep your leg their but dont put any pressure on it - so it is a release to the horse when he does what you want - when he comes off the rail again, use your leg again and repeat hte process),and almost neck rein your horse (if western) to the rail; as in use your right rein and lay it against his neck. do not take your right rein and cross his withers onto the other side, it defeats the purpose. (if english) it is just about the same, you just want more pressure on the right rein than on the left rein.***note***"the word neck-reining is the same as what you ar! e truely supposed to hold your reins at while riding dressage or HJ. You want to ultimately use both reins and apply one rein to the neck to guide the horse in the direction that you wish to go. with western you only use the other rein if you really need it. in english it goes neck-rein than direct rein - both reins should be picked up at the same time.This is really more of a temporary fix or a "light-duty to medium-duty training session; or tune-up". You really need to work on your horse and moving his body all around at all speeds. A great book that doesnt cost as much as buying any or all of the training series, is Clinton Anderson's Downunder Horsemanship Gaining Respect and Control on the Ground and Undersaddle, for english and western riders. You can google.com his name and find his website. It is around $30, but is really great to use on any show horse that needs some tuning up or use as a starter book to "test" him out for yourself to see if you like his training ! methods and want to continue learning from him and buy his training sup! plies.....Show more
Marita Stadick: I would do more lateral work with him. If you haven't learned to perform two tracking, half pass, shoulder in and out exercises, get ahold of a dressage for beginners book or video. Once your horse learns these basics, you won't have this kind of problem, and your horse will be a more supple, athletic guy that is a sheer pleasure to ride.EDIT: Tory has the right idea...if you tighten your inside rein over the neck down low while keeping your inside leg on the horse just at or infront of you stirrup, it will help for now. But that's a bandaid compared to a cure....Show more
Antone Youla: my horse did that 4 awhile. what i did and it worked is, when i asked her to lope and she moved to the side i would stop her and move her back to the rail. and ask her to lope again if she moved to the side i would stop and back her and get after her really good. then move back to the rail and ask again. i did this until she learned. to lop! e straight off. not 2 the side it worked for me i hope it does for u
Ulysses Failey: It is not just geldings, stallions will do this too. And the reason is.. welll... may seem gross to some, but here it is: it is the penis/sheath muscles inside that rub/hit/bounce against each other that causes the noise. You can sometimes hear the sounds at a trot or canter.. sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Sometimes air gets in the sheath. It is normal.Also a dirty sheath, penis can contribute (so the penis/sheath may need a good cleaning.. get the smegma out)http://www.horsecity.com/stories/090101/hea_beans_......Show more
Wilburn Denice: my welsh pony always grunts when he is in canter but not in walk or trot ,why could this be??
Hal Palowoda: I don't know what part of the USA you were in, but actually, Gypsy Vanners are quite rare in the US. This is why they are so expensive and why they are kind of a novelty breed. Most open shows around here are 99% Qua! rter Horse, Thoroughbred or Appendix. My mom and my sister each own a gy! psy, but they are the only ones I know who have them and I have never seen any others at the shows around here. My mom or my sister usually end up with a fan club wherever they show, just because their horses are so different. That's all.I agree that they are not all worth the expense as performance horses. My mom's horse might be worth what she paid because he is a fantastic mover. At four-years-old, he moves and collects like a horse with years of dressage training, and he's a great pleasure driving horse. My sister's horse is a bit clunky, and pig-headed and it's taken a lot of work on my sister's part to get him in show shape. I would not have paid what my mom paid for him, but with gypsies in the US, you are not just paying for performance. You're paying for uniqueness, and novelty. And there's something about the word "imported" that boosts the price. My sister's horse was imported from Scotland as a 5-year-old which I'm sure influenced his price. Again, this is all a! bout novelty. I'm not saying I agree with it or would spend my own money on novelty alone, but it's the truth.Also, I'm sure the cobs where you live are not all carefully bred (though some may be). Because of the rarity of the breed in the US, there are not a lot of backyard breeders breeding an overabundance of crappy cobs. There are only a few breeding operations and many (emphasis on many, not all) of their breeding stock has show records in dressage, and driving, as well as decent conformation, flashy colours and lots of feather. Like I said, give me a decent Appendix over a gypsy any day because gypsies are just not my style, but I get why some Americans are impressed by them. They're a unique and rare breed in the US. They are not a dime-a-dozen here and you're not going to see one grazing in every pasture.Add: I'm getting thumbed down and looking at some other answerers, I see that the general consensus among the UK people is that gypsies have bad conformation and we! ak hooves. I would like to add that the two gypsies my family owns are ! barefoot with very strong hooves, and they are both in rigorous training and exercise programs. They are well put-together with no conformational faults. We have documentation of pedigree on them and they are not inbred either. I'm not an advocate for the breed and I would personally not pay that much for any horse, but it is a little bit of an exaggeration to say that ALL gypsies are inbreed, poorly conformed and can't perform worth crap. The Gypsy Vanners in the US are not the same as the cobs in the UK. Yes, they are bred from them, but they are bred for a more specific purpose and they are bred to appeal to a specific crowd.You saying that it's ridiculous for anyone to want to pay anything more than pocket change for a gypsy vanner because the ones in your area are common and poorly bred would be like me saying I don't know why anyone would pay more than pocket change for a thoroughbred. Many of the thoroughbreds in my area are unwanted remnants of the racing industry. ! Many are poorly conformed, inbred, lame and have nasty temperaments. But I do not put on my blinders and look only at these few to represent the whole of a breed, especially the whole of the breed across continents....Show more
Esteban Lyson: Make sure you really show him who is boss.Squeeze with your outside leg and use your inside rein!
Chi Alfero: Cobs are perfectly fine horses. They generally have a nice personality, they're hardy, decent at a few disciplines. People did throw the name Gypsy Vanner on them to make them sound fancy smancy, let's face it "cob" is not as nice sounding, and people fell for it. Doesn't mean they're not decent horses.I'd never buy one for that much, but then again I'd never buy any horse for that much.($23,000 here.)...Show more
Kandi Lough: It's a joke. I'm in Ireland and I saw a herd being prepped for sale in the states. Most of the mares and fillies were pregnant by direct relatives. They were conformational nightmares an! d their hooves were appalling. I wouldn't have paid more than €100 fo! r any of them. They were going to be sold for $20000 and they already had buyers lined up for these paperless nags.
Carlton Lastrapes: It's because there aren't that many of them compared to lets say a Quarter Horse or a Thoroughbred. People like horses that are flashy and different. They want to be noticed.
Ofelia Kieck: I saw an hour documentary on them and I was not at all impressed, I certainly would not stand in line for a free one. They looked like big thick dense, move like thunder to me horses.One of the farms had lots of mares, several stallions and they all had bally faces, I just thought what a bunch of culls because I have seen so much sunburn and eye problems with pink skinned horses and these folks must think they are on the ground floor with great horses!I think it is a fad the rich folks think they are going to get richer with them. We have had some for sale in this area for $500.Lots of people like to brag about how much they have paid for! something. and will pay big prices for a horse that is pretty to look at.Like the Fersians, I have seen some that are really ugly, poor conformation and dumb and dense to handle....Show more
Melvina Bieri: My horse had this problem at the trot when I first got him. Ended up being that he was one sided and with more fitness and practice the problem went away. Try doing LARGE figure eights where you do the right lead more often. So two or three circles at the right lead and then switch in the middle to the left lead for one circle. This gives him a break from the harder side but allows him to build up the muscles needed to the harder side. Your right lead circles wont' be as good but that's okay -- they will get better over time. Also.. dont' worry about the fence. Move away from the rail for the entire excercies and work on good round (large) circles in the middle. Once you have the muscles needed and the proper "steering" the rail becomes easy....Show mor! e
Gladys Worthing: Could be unfit. Could be incorrect head set, ! causing him to not be able to breathe properly. Build up of fat or muscle underneath the neck - he couldn't breathe well through a thick throat. Maybe conformational defect and dodgy neck. Could be over excitement.There's a number of reasons - those are the ones that immediately sprung into my mind. It's impossible to say for sure without seeing you ride....Show more
